Claim · G-032

David Grusch: Asked whether he knows of people who were harmed, he answers “yes, personally”; on the possibility that someone was killed, he says he must be careful and that he directed those who knew about it to the competent authorities.

David Grusch · Jul 26, 2023 · House hearing, Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs (Hearing)

Under oath Direct knowledge Retaliation, threats, violence

Original words

I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.

Against or denials

Kirkpatrick (July 27, 2023) called the allegations of retaliation, physical assaults, and hints of murder extremely serious, while noting that the main source had refused to speak with AARO; the DoD (July 28, 2023) said it had no information on people harmed or killed for having provided information to AARO.

Sources

1. Official transcript of the July 26, 2023 hearing in the House of Representatives (GovInfo, CHRG-118hhrg53022) (primary source)
2. The War Zone, the response of Kirkpatrick and the Pentagon after the hearing (July 28, 2023) (press)
3. The Debrief, Sean Kirkpatrick's statement after the hearing (July 27, 2023) (press, pro-disclosure)

On this site

People 1

• David Grusch

Claims 3

• David Grusch: Claims to have “substantive evidence” that white-collar crimes were used to hide the programs and that some… Unverifiable
• David Grusch: Claims that several of his colleagues were physically injured, both by UAPs and by people, and that what he… Unverifiable
• David Grusch: Claims to have learned, during a closed-door meeting with the Senate Intelligence Committee, that some… Unverifiable

Documents 1

• The transcript of the July 26, 2023 House hearing with Grusch, Graves and Fravor Original available

Where the claims come from 1

• Those involved in the programs or who speak about them have suffered threats, retaliation, violence and even…

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