Document · D-OC-12
The transcript of the July 26, 2023 House hearing with Grusch, Graves and Fravor
Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (hearing, 26 July 2023)
U.S. House of Representatives – Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs · Jul 26, 2023 · USA · Transcript
Original available
Official transcript on GovInfo, already used by the site for entries G-025 onward.
- What it contains
- Official transcript of the hearing with the sworn statements of David Grusch, Ryan Graves and David Fravor and the questions from the representatives.
- What it shows and what it does not
- It is the primary source for Grusch's sworn claims: the multi-decade retrieval program to which he was denied access, the non-human “biologics,” the retaliation, the deferrals to closed settings. It proves what he said under oath, not that it is true: many answers are hearsay. The title of Omega Click's video (“astronavi e corpi recuperati,” i.e., spacecraft and recovered bodies) presents as facts what the witness reported as hearsay.
- How it came to light
- Published by the House (GovInfo). Omega Click circulated excerpts with Italian subtitles in the video of July 28, 2023 (“Alieni, la testimonianza che terrorizza il mondo, astronavi e corpi recuperati (SUB-ITA)”) and commented on it in other videos of July 31 and August 2, 2023; the translation has not been verified.
- The document
- Open the document (govinfo.gov)
Sources
- Official transcript of the July 26, 2023 hearing (GovInfo, CHRG-118hhrg53022) (primary source)
- Official page of the July 26, 2023 hearing (House Oversight) (primary source)
- Omega Click, “Alieni, la testimonianza che terrorizza il mondo, astronavi e corpi recuperati (SUB-ITA)” (YouTube, July 28, 2023) (video/audio, pro-disclosure)
- Transcript in the House document repository (PDF) (primary source)
- NPR, July 27, 2023 – the hearing on non-human biologics (press)
On this site
People 10
- David Grusch
- Ryan Graves
- David Fravor
- Tim Burchett
- Nancy Mace
- Eric Burlison
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
- Glenn Grothman
- Anna Paulina Luna
- Jared Moskowitz
Claims 11
- David Grusch: Presents himself as an intelligence officer for 14 years, in the Air Force with the rank of major and then… Partly verified
- David Grusch: Claims that he was informed, in the course of his official duties, of a decades-long program to retrieve… Disputed
- David Grusch: Asked whether the government possesses UAPs, he answers “absolutely,” based on interviews with more than 40… Disputed
- David Grusch: Claims that in some retrievals non-human biological remains (“biologics”) were found, according to the… Disputed
- David Grusch: Asked by Rep. Eric Burlison whether he has seen any bodies, he answers that it is something he has not… Verified
- David Grusch: Asked whether he personally saw a craft, he answers that he must be careful in describing in that setting… Unverifiable
- David Grusch: Asked whether he knows of people who were harmed, he answers “yes, personally”; on the possibility that… Unverifiable
- David Grusch: Describes the retaliation he suffered as “very brutal” and as “administrative terrorism,” attributing… Unverifiable
- David Grusch: Rules out, as far as he knows, that the craft are U.S. products, observing that the retrievals predate many… Disputed
- David Grusch: Calls inaccurate the statement by AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick that there is no credible evidence, reports… Disputed
- David Grusch: Claims that nothing is classified above top secret, since the classification levels are those established by… Verified
Promises 1
Inconsistencies 3
- David Grusch: Bodies: “not seen” under oath, then footage of three or four corpses
- David Grusch: Craft: has he not seen one, or can he say it only behind closed doors?
- David Grusch: Confidential contacts and details: not in public in 2023, recounted in 2026
Where the claims come from 3
- The United States holds intact or partially intact craft of non-human origin, the product of a retrieval…
- Non-human biological remains, that is, bodies or “biologics,” were recovered together with the craft.
- Those involved in the programs or who speak about them have suffered threats, retaliation, violence and even…
Timeline 1
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