Claim · G-028
David Grusch: Claims that in some retrievals non-human biological remains (“biologics”) were found, according to the assessment of people with direct knowledge who still work on the program; the documentation, he says, can be discussed only in a secure room (SCIF).
David Grusch · Jul 26, 2023 · House hearing, Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs (Hearing)
Under oath Hearsay Non-human biologics
Disputed
It falls between “unverifiable” and “disputed”: “disputed” prevails because official AARO statements are set against the sworn testimony, which is based on others' sources and has no public documents.
- Original words
Biologics came with some of these recoveries.
- In support
- Jay Stratton, the first director of the UAP task force, states that he saw non-human beings with his own eyes (The Age of Disclosure, 2025; Fox News, 2026), without public evidence. Stratton is an executive producer, with Elizondo, of the documentary The Age of Disclosure and in October 2026 published a book about his experiences (“Out of the Shadows”).
- Against or denials
- AARO (FY2024 annual report) states that it found no verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activities, or technology. In 2024 the documents on “Kona Blue” were declassified, a compartment that some interviewees described to AARO as meant to protect non-human biologics: it turns out to be a SAP only proposed to DHS in 2011, never approved and with no materials or funds. It has not been shown to concern Grusch's sources.
Sources
- Official transcript of the July 26, 2023 hearing in the House of Representatives (GovInfo, CHRG-118hhrg53022) (primary source)
- Documents on “Kona Blue” declassified by DoD and DHS (April 2024), published by The Black Vault (primary source)
- DefenseScoop, the AARO FY2024 annual report (November 14, 2024) (press)
- Sentinel News, Jay Stratton on Fox News about craft of non-human origin (October 13, 2026) (press, pro-disclosure)
- Skeptic (Michael Shermer), review of “The Age of Disclosure” (November 23, 2025), with the caption on the executive producers (analysis, skeptical)
- IBTimes UK (Rhealene Fernando), Jay Stratton's book “Out of the Shadows” (October 17, 2026) (press)
On this site
People 1
Claims 5
- David Grusch: Claims that in some retrievals the remains of “dead pilots” were found, as trusted colleagues told him and… Unverifiable
- David Grusch: Asked by Rep. Eric Burlison whether he has seen any bodies, he answers that it is something he has not… Verified
- David Grusch: Claims that the government is aware of “several dozen” cases involving what he describes as non-human… Unverifiable
- David Grusch: Claims to have seen classified footage of a retrieval operation showing three or four corpses of non-human… Unverifiable
- David Grusch: Claims that the recovered corpses were preserved and that their DNA was compared with the human genome, with… Unverifiable
Inconsistencies 1
Documents 2
- The transcript of the July 26, 2023 House hearing with Grusch, Graves and Fravor Original available
- The declassified documents on Kona Blue, the program proposed to DHS and never approved Original available
Where the claims come from 1
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