Claim · G-044

David Grusch: Calls inaccurate the statement by AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick that there is no credible evidence, reports that some thirty people approached AARO and says he offered him pointers on where to look when he took up the post.

David Grusch · Jul 26, 2023 · House hearing, Oversight Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs (Hearing)

Under oath Direct knowledge Complaints and legal process

Original words

It is not accurate.

In support

The AARO historical report (vol. 1, March 2024) confirms that as of September 17, 2023 the office had interviewed about 30 people, some of them referred by Congress or by other interviewees.

Against or denials

Kirkpatrick (July 27, 2023) wrote that the main source of the allegations had refused to speak with AARO; the Signal messages of June 2023 obtained via FOIA show contact attempts mediated by Christopher Mellon and the position communicated to his lawyer, according to which AARO may by law receive any information on UAPs, even classified.

Sources

1. Official transcript of the July 26, 2023 hearing in the House of Representatives (GovInfo, CHRG-118hhrg53022) (primary source)
2. FOIA documents on AARO's attempts to hear from Grusch, case 24-F-0266 (The Black Vault, April 18, 2024) (primary source)
3. The Debrief, Sean Kirkpatrick's statement after the hearing (July 27, 2023) (press, pro-disclosure)
4. AARO, Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with UAP, vol. I (March 8, 2024) (The Black Vault copy) (primary source)

On this site

People 1

• David Grusch

Claims 1

• David Grusch: Claims that AARO contacted him officially only in November 2023, that his email of January 8, 2024 with… Disputed

Inconsistencies 1

• David Grusch: Contacts with AARO: the AARO memo and Grusch's version

Documents 2

• The transcript of the July 26, 2023 House hearing with Grusch, Graves and Fravor Original available
• The AARO memorandum on the attempts to hear from Grusch Original available

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