Claim · E-048
Luis Elizondo: Claims under oath that, after returning to the Pentagon around 2009, he soon became part of the program initially called AAWSAP, which then evolved into the program now known as AATIP.
Luis Elizondo · Nov 13, 2024 · Joint hearing of two subcommittees of the House Oversight Committee, “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth” (November 13, 2024) – answers to Moskowitz (Hearing)
Under oath Direct knowledge AATIP and AAWSAP
Partly verified
A contact with the DIA office that ran the program is acknowledged by the DoD up to early 2010, not a formal assignment, and AARO describes AATIP as a name used informally and not as the evolution of an official program; in the book Imminent (August 2024) he had written that he was recruited by James Lacatski in early 2009 for counterintelligence and security.
- Original words
I quickly became part of a program that was originally called AAWSAP
- In support
- Internal email from the DoD press office (June 5, 2019): he briefly supported the DIA office that ran AATIP; Susan Gough (2019): he interacted with that office; the book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon (Lacatski, Kelleher, Knapp) places him at a dinner with AAWSAP staff while he was working at OUSD(I).
- Against or denials
- Susan Gough (June 13, 2019): he was never assigned to the DIA; AARO (2024): the name AATIP was used by some people after AAWSAP was canceled; at the 2018 MUFON conference he had said he had not been part of AAWSAP (Black Vault).
Sources
- Transcript of the hearing “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth”, House of Representatives, November 13, 2024 (primary source)
- DoD, FOIA 25-F-2554 – documents on Elizondo 2017–2019 (emails, letter of June 5, 2019, replies from the Navy and the press office) (primary source)
- The Black Vault – the Pentagon reiterates that Elizondo had no responsibility in AATIP (statements by Susan Gough), June 14, 2019 (analysis)
- The Black Vault – DoD emails on the 2017 UAP briefings and on Elizondo's role in AATIP, May 28, 2025 (analysis)
On this site
People 1
Claims 2
- Luis Elizondo: Recounts that in the late 2000s he was asked to handle the security and counterintelligence of AATIP, a… Partly verified
- Luis Elizondo: Claims under oath that the GOFAST, GIMBAL and FLIR videos were part of the work of the AATIP program of… Partly verified
Inconsistencies 2
- Luis Elizondo: Part of AAWSAP or not?
- Luis Elizondo: The dates of AATIP change depending on the setting
Documents 3
- The official objectives of the DIA's AAWSAP program (July 18, 2008) Original available
- The DIA prepares for the meeting with Reid: no basis for a special access program Original available
- The transcript of the November 13, 2024 House hearing with Elizondo, Gallaudet, Shellenberger and Gold Original available
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